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Title: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on July 28, 2009, 08:41:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FqQsaK5KpQ

neat.


Title: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dark steve on July 28, 2009, 09:00:35 PM
oh my god it's finally happening


Title: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on July 28, 2009, 09:51:32 PM
And here I am not even having watched the original yet.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on July 29, 2009, 12:15:29 AM
Looks decent. Though in the end, I'll still vastly prefer the original. Which I really need to get on DVD! Along with Danger Man.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on July 29, 2009, 12:16:44 AM
BTW, also at Comic Con, the remake/reboot of V premiered, and all reports say that it's pretty awesome. I'm actually looking forward to that a lot more than The Prisoner redux, mostly since the original V hasn't aged nearly as well (but it's still fairly enjoyable).


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: loopback on July 29, 2009, 01:16:44 PM
I am a bit dubious about the remake of The Prisoner. So much of what makes that show great for me is the time period of it, and the overwhelming Vision Of Patrick McGoohan(tm) that drove the whole thing, end-to-end.

This new version looks interesting, and were it not called The Prisoner I might be very excited. as it is, all I can think is, "oh goody, a chance for someone to try and do another Lost variant, where there are lots of hints, but it rarely comes together coherently."

We'll see.  Ian McKellen is awesome in that trailer, though. But that is another one of those things from the original series that I thought was so good: the entire power structure, with the exception of the butler & the Supervisor (who never take a direct role against #6) are faceless and replacable. a new #2 nearly every episode and a constantly rotating cast of extras made #6 the only constant, further de-anchoring him from any kind of stable or routine life.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on July 29, 2009, 02:04:59 PM
My thoughts exactly. I know this has always been the case, but now more than ever, for a show to get greenlit, it has to strongly resemble another hit show, and it felt a bit too Lost for my tastes. The only saving grace if I actually think about it is Ian McKellen, otherwise, I wouldn't have bothered to sit through the entire ten minute teaser.

Oh, and everyone says the new V feels a lot like Battlestar Galactica, for what it's worth.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on August 18, 2009, 04:17:09 AM
It's past 4 in the morning, and I have CW11 on, cuz here in NYC, they play a whole hour of South Park at three, which is not only awesome but very much appreciated, since I don't have cable. But now Reno 911 is on, a show I have never understood, though perhaps I'm especially befuddled since earlier in the evening, Katie and I watched these two best of Cops DVDs that Mike lent me. Thanks again dude.

Seriously, I don't get it, what's the appeal? Is it for people who find the real thing too scary or something? Note: I was actually a big fan of The State (haven't gotten the DVD, yet) and some of the performers, but they're just not funny on this particular program. I also never saw Stella when it was on Comedy Central, for perhaps obvious reasons, but I did see their original pilot, which was circulating for a couple of years underground, and eventually got them a TV deal. Its still in my mind the absolute worst sketch comedy I have ever seen, enough for me to think that the whole State thing was a total fluke.

Though on a related note, I did finally just get the Venture Brothers Season 3 DVDs. It's not as mindblowing as season two, but I'm only two episodes in. Still, fucking awesome.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: pilot on August 18, 2009, 06:15:42 PM
Yes thanks for the COPS dvds! "Shots Fired" > "Caught in the Act" but the latter features an amazing New York circa 1995 subway pickpocket bust.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on August 20, 2009, 01:48:48 PM
The trailer for season 4 of Venture Brothers has been released...

http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a250aae232d7b5101232eeeff310004

... As expected, good stuff!


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on August 20, 2009, 02:09:06 PM
that looks outstanding.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on August 24, 2009, 04:45:23 PM
When is saw Kevin McDonald live a couple weeks back, I mention how he said the Kids In The Hall were getting together for a new show. Had no idea it would be Canada only...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007555.html?categoryid=14&cs=1&ref=ssp

... Though I'm assuming that Comedy Central will picked up almost immediately afterward.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on October 04, 2009, 09:48:46 PM
For whatever dumb reason, I tried watching that Family Guy spin-off earlier tonight, but couldn't get through more than five minutes. If anyone needs further evidence that network comedy is dead, look no further. But what amazed me was how absolutely mean-spirited it was. To be honest, that's always been an issue with Family Guy and that other dumb show I think, but it just seemed worse this time (and this coming from a guy that finds a lot of fucked up shit funny even if it ain't).


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on October 04, 2009, 10:30:58 PM
Your notion of evidence may need a re-calibration.




Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on October 04, 2009, 10:53:55 PM
Here's a small example: I forget if it was earlier tonight, or from some other McFarlane show I accidentally caught recently (despite not having cable, it seems to be on all the time whenever I switch around), but out of the blue, one of that characters just flat out says Delta Burke is a big fat cow. That's it. Actually, I forget if it was Burke, or some other plus-sized actress, but seriously, that was it. No real follow-up or anything. The least they could have done was illustrate the point someway.

BTW, I don't have a problem with their reliance on cultural references like many others. 90% of televised comedy has been about topical humor since day one... I can still enjoy old SNLs, SCTVs, hell, I still enjoyed old Merrie Melody shorts despite not getting all the old Hollywood jokes (okay, that stuff was shown in the theaters originally, but still, an apt example since most folks grew up with those cartoons on TV, like myself). The key difference is how absurdly lazy Family Guy and those other shows are with their jokes, which themselves are just not funny.

Back to my "example" it seriously sounded like whomever on the writing staff had a personal beef with Burke and just had to throw a cheapshot out there. And that was it. I know that's not really the case, but I still get similar kinds of douche chills. At least on South Park, they take things to some wacky step. It's not wonder they want to slap McFarlane up the side of the head.

I suppose it's worth pointing out that I find fat jokes to be pretty low rent, unless they are handled creatively. SCTV's constant weight jokes aimed at Orsen Welles were funny, still are, because of John Candy and his excellent performance, the well written sketch that called for it, or the fact that there was a reason in the first place.

I also wonder how Mike Judge, who was helming the only good animated comedy up until last week on the network feels about him being replaced by whatever the hell earlier tonight was supposed to be.

Meanwhile on cable, and I don't know how you feel about the show Fitz, since I know all too well how Mike feels about it, but despite being perfectly happy with just local programming, I really wish I had HBO right now to check out the new season of Curb Your Enthusiasm.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on October 05, 2009, 11:38:58 AM
i have no idea how that show got greenlit nor why anyone would watch it.

on the other hand i watch family guy reruns on adult swim and still giggle.

but comedy is much like love, in that it is a battlefield. i don't have the finely-tuned sense of schadenfreude to really enjoy the office and other examples of the theater of the uncomfortable.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on October 05, 2009, 11:54:28 AM
most of the shows i'd like to watch (venture bros, metalacolypse) are mainly on one channel. 

actually, i'd like to catch some Anthony Bourdain and Travel Channel stuff, but the reality is, i still don't want to pay an extra $50 a month for it. 

though Netflix instant play has really changed the game completely.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on October 05, 2009, 12:14:31 PM
Quote from: dhex
i have no idea how that show got greenlit nor why anyone would watch it.

It's actually quite simple: guy creates two ratings winners (I'm assuming that American Dad is getting the ratings, hence why it keeps coming back), so they're gonna greenlight almost anything, without question. See: Cop Rock.

And not to be a dick, but I would love to hear someone from someone who loves Family Guy to death why they hate this new show since, from my perhaps uninformed pov, both are absolutely the same, albeit with a different coat of paint.

Quote from: dhex
but comedy is much like love, in that it is a battlefield. i don't have the finely-tuned sense of schadenfreude to really enjoy the office and other examples of the theater of the uncomfortable.

The British Office is one thing, but that shit they have for Americans is a whole different ballgame, designed purely for scared white people, much like Scrubs.

Quote from: isfet
actually, i'd like to catch some Anthony Bourdain and Travel Channel stuff, but the reality is, i still don't want to pay an extra $50 a month for it.

Fifty? It's it just 70 alone for just bare bones basic?


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on October 05, 2009, 12:17:21 PM
i only saw a minute or two of it, and it seemed more like a sitcom sendup than a manatee joke parade. same reason i never got into american dad (plus i hate the logo).


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on October 05, 2009, 12:38:01 PM
i think it's $70 if you're getting like, HBO.  which i probably would, so...

either way, it's not worth that much to me.  and as more and more things becomes available on Netflix instant as they're released, it becomes less of an issue for me.

The Cleaveland Show.  caught this last week, when it premiered.  i'd say it's somewhere between "better than American Dad" and "better than what i expected" but still "not very good."  i guess the thing of how i could enjoy Family Guy but not the other 2 shows which are almost the same, i think it comes down to the characters and their delivery.  a German goldfish and a gay space alien can really only take things so far.

the only thing i saw with the Cleaveland show is that they're now able to pump in more black jokes.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on October 05, 2009, 05:27:14 PM
a German goldfish and a gay space alien can really only take things so far.

It's those two, particularly an alien doing Paul Lynde, combined with the oddly accurate portrayal of the kind of nutsos involved in Intel work that make me enjoy the show.

Normally I see both Family Guy and American Dad as the penance I have to do before the Adult Swim shows I like to watch are on.  Which is too bad as I like both shows, I just don't want to have to watch them. Same with King of the Hill.

Cleveland looks like it could be a good, if short lives, satire of the "Black Character Spin-off" phenomena that was set into motion by "The Jeffersons" but really crystalized with "Family Matters" in terms of the cliche elements (new incongruous setting, tacked on family members previously unheard of but suddenly of importance to the character, sassy household member, wacky neighbors who eventually take over the series, etc).

The reason for the line about re-calibrating your evidence is that Network comedy has never been good. We lived through the age of "Perfect Strangers." The few good shows that have existed were few and far between in every phases of TV history and usually only had a few golden years before things lost their sense of direction, actors got demanding, core writing staff blew up, etc.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on October 06, 2009, 12:01:17 AM
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We lived through the age of "Perfect Strangers."

and bosom buddies!


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on October 06, 2009, 12:19:36 AM
Once again, was always more of a Night Court person myself.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on October 06, 2009, 01:23:33 AM
Loved Night Court once they got the cast sorted out. It should have ended sooner than it did but there were a few really solid years in the middle.




Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on October 06, 2009, 01:50:10 AM
I can understand folks who feel like they shouldn't have gone for that tenth season, and I too would have preferred the less than perfect note that wrapped up season nine. But overall, I enjoyed the happy ending that we got in the end.

Though nothing is gonna top the last episode of Newhart as the best last episode ever for a sitcom.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on October 06, 2009, 02:58:56 PM
last episode of rosanne was a pretty good fuck you, actually.

anyway, the new family guy (a universe run by dogs) was pretty damn great.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: pilot on October 19, 2009, 02:46:30 PM
Anyone catch the Venture Brothers season premiere last night? We don't have cable so I guess we'll be waiting awhile til we see it.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dark steve on October 19, 2009, 03:56:39 PM
it ought to be free online on the adult swim site


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on October 19, 2009, 04:18:30 PM
it was awesome!


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dark steve on October 19, 2009, 04:24:31 PM
yeah it's getting super weird (in the good way)


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on October 19, 2009, 11:35:34 PM
It's been posted.

Very strong opener.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on October 27, 2009, 12:12:55 PM
Since I don't care much for Family Guy, maybe the fans around here can tell me how accurate this is...

(http://pics.fort90.com/forum/familyguy.gif)


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on October 27, 2009, 12:18:40 PM
haha.  well, that's kind of accurate, yea.

but i mean, i think this is true with any show.  The Simpsons as they started in Season 1 (terrible) are not the same Simpsons a few seasons later.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on October 27, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
it's somewhat accurate. lois is more of the voice of reason than a space occupier, however.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on October 27, 2009, 05:29:43 PM
Sorry, but I'm just a sucker for Paul Lynde...

http://classicshowbiz.blogspot.com/2009/10/paul-lynde-halloween-special-with.html


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on October 27, 2009, 06:17:14 PM
it's somewhat accurate. lois is more of the voice of reason than a space occupier, however.

Also periodically completely insane.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on October 27, 2009, 07:22:38 PM
she's the voice of reason only comparatively, of course.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on October 30, 2009, 12:23:34 PM
finally watched episode 1, season 4 of The Venture Bros today.  oh man, so good.  though part of me wants to wait for the DVD to come out, i kind of can't resist watching now.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on November 02, 2009, 10:46:46 AM
screw waiting for the dvd, yo. last night was the hotness.

sidenote: the south park about japanese whaling is goddamn great.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on November 02, 2009, 11:31:09 PM
Not surprised that Watson seemed to enjoy it

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2009/10/30/south-park-whale-whores-captain-paul-watson-responds/


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on November 03, 2009, 09:08:27 PM
Just finished watching the new V on ABC. Which I was somewhat excited for, since I really enjoyed the original. And it was pretty bad, but on a level that I totally didn't expect.

I actually tuned in late, around the 40 minute mark. It honestly felt like I was seven weeks into things. Tonight was the premier episode, wasn't it? I can't believe they shot their load so early. Plenty of other things looked dumb took, like all the bluescreening and idiotic camera angles, but that pales in comparison to burning through so much potential material in no time flat. Are television writers that clueless these days?


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on November 05, 2009, 02:48:31 AM
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I actually tuned in late, around the 40 minute mark. It honestly felt like I was seven weeks into things. Tonight was the premier episode, wasn't it? I can't believe they shot their load so early. Plenty of other things looked dumb took, like all the bluescreening and idiotic camera angles, but that pales in comparison to burning through so much potential material in no time flat. Are television writers that clueless these days?

Burning through what material, that the aliens are actually lizards?

That isn't material, that's premise.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on November 06, 2009, 12:32:00 AM
I was mostly referring to humans slowly realizing that something is not kosher and them secretly mobilizing. Stuff like that. At the end of the episode its established that some of the visitors are friendly and want to help. That could have been added a bit later on, after giving the impression that they're all jerks, for dramatic impact and the such.

To be honest, things went by a fairly brisk pace in the original, but because the first two episodes were made for two movies, that can be forgiven. Regardless, the pacing was still superior.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on November 06, 2009, 03:39:17 PM
Given that most of the folks watching will be familiar with the original you can't play coy with the lizard thing.  Just jump right into it and set up the resistance v. Visitors angle.  This time around you have the added feature of there having been an advanced infiltration by the Visitors aimed at making their take over easier.

Mind you I liked the original V when it was released but upon re-watching the largely Soap Opera level acting and writing leaves a lot to be desired. If it weren't for a few standout performances by some of the cast it would have been unbearable.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on November 11, 2009, 01:58:22 PM
Tried watching it last night. I already give up. When they finally start showing semi-nude girls in tubes covered in goo, then call me. Or better yet, screencap please.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on November 21, 2009, 02:49:48 AM
Hardly qualifies as awesome, hence why I'm not posting this in that thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9lkmd-mMJ0

... Again, the comments are pretty golden (and spot on).


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on November 21, 2009, 01:52:35 PM
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That's not snow, someone in the armory accidentally set off a white phosphorous shell.

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Obviously the child has triggered Ragnorak. Soon he will go to the Middle East and kill his own father.

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Time to bust out the CLP.
(cleaner, lubricant, preservative)

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Nuclear Fallout! Get the fuck out of there now!


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on November 29, 2009, 03:28:49 PM
Chris Elliot has a sister and she's on SNL?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/29/magazine/29Elliott-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine

... That alone might be reason enough to start watching again. With the key word here being "might".


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on November 30, 2009, 01:03:56 PM
More on the comic genius of Chris Elliot...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTAFWrUtjr0


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on December 16, 2009, 10:10:26 AM
so, i'm waiting on Disc 3 of Season 1 of Twin Peaks.

it's not that the show was so hyped up to me and i was expecting miracles but...thus far, i think the show is only "ok" or "kind of cute."

like, it's enjoyable to watch, but i'm not at the edge of my seat or anything.  i don't feel compelled to watch it, but don't mind watching it either.  and i can't help but imagine what the show might be like if it had had the luxury of being on something like HBO.  i understand that a restrained David Lynch was probably the challenge that he wanted to take on, but it's not perfect.

though the dream sequence with the midget and backwards talking was pretty exceptional, i'll give it that.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on December 16, 2009, 11:06:58 AM
That show is all about Agent Dale Cooper. One of my favorite fictional characters, but amidst a show mired in the usual made for TV'ness that you get with TV shows. The end of it gets pretty fun, but you'll want to fast forward through much of Season 2 to get there. It won't hurt to skip straight through the biker kid's subplot where he's fixing some woman's car out of town.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on December 16, 2009, 12:25:12 PM
oh yea, well that character in particular is pretty great, for sure.

like i said, there are really excellent parts of the show, but as a collective whole, i don't find it especially compelling.

and then Lynch didn't even direct most of season 2, right?  i guess i could skip ahead and whatnot, but that's sort of irritating in its own way.  what, in particular, is so bad about the earlier episodes of that season?  just out of curiousity.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on December 16, 2009, 01:05:13 PM
I have yet to be convinced that stuff like Lost and the like has managed to do anything close to what Twin Peaks has already achieved, let alone top it.

And it's hardly perfect, that's for damn sure. But other than completely breaking new ground for network television, especially at the time (just check out what else was airing circa the 1990s), it's still a fine experiment. One that's flawed, but still. If anything, it proves that you really can't do more than two season when it comes to those kinds of shows.

Katie got me the complete set for my birthday, but I must confess that I've had a hard time watching it from beginning to end, and mostly just skip around. I actually prefer the first season, when things were far tighter, but season two gets really interesting near the end, with the "we gotta end this" vibe that permeates throughout.

And yeah, Agent Dale Cooper is still one of the best all-around television characters to grace network television in the past 20 years. And the last episode is without a doubt one of the greatest last episodes, period.

I really wish On The Air, the sitcom that Lynch did immediately afterwards, with pretty much the entire same cast, was readily available.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on December 16, 2009, 02:16:23 PM

like i said, there are really excellent parts of the show, but as a collective whole, i don't find it especially compelling.

In most cases Lynch doesn't really do compelling.  He's more in the Lovecraft style of creating an immersive environment and then not really sure where to go once it is created.

In terms of Twin Peaks specifically I think it suffers a bit from Catcher in the Rye syndrome. For a lot of people it was the first "weird" tv show they ever saw and so they fell in love.  And like most adolescent loves it was neither as good as remembered nor can you really explain it to someone who didn't get caught by it at that time.



Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: loopback on December 16, 2009, 05:58:05 PM
I was present in the moment when Twin Peaks was a big deal, was the perfect age to think it was awesome, and was even a bit of a Lynch fan back then, in the era of Eraserhead and Dune and Blue Velvet.

But Twin Peaks never grabbed me, and on the whole, as I've gotten older, I've found less and less to like about the work Lynch does, and more and more reasons to think he's an overhyped director who doesn't generate the depth people think he does.

I suspect a lot of my anti-Lynchean sentiments would fade if people would start admitting his movies are just eye candy with no depth, designed to elicit a response of, "OH MAN THAT WAS SOOOO WEEEEIRD" and nothing more.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on December 17, 2009, 12:47:22 AM
and then Lynch didn't even direct most of season 2, right?  i guess i could skip ahead and whatnot, but that's sort of irritating in its own way.  what, in particular, is so bad about the earlier episodes of that season?  just out of curiousity.

id say watch up to episode 2x07, dont mind the shut in along the way,then skip to the final episode.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on December 17, 2009, 02:06:27 AM
I guess I qualify as someone who suffer Catcher in the Rye syndrome. Then again, maybe not; prior to Twin Peaks, I watched a lot of wacky, off-beat television, mostly stuff on PBS, like Alive From Off Center/Alive TV, plus old stuff like The Prisoner, and the countless crazy programs that was somewhat standard fare on late night CBC (that's Canadian Broadcast Channel for those who aren't in the know). So Peaks was definitely weird, but not THAT weird to me by that point.

It's definitely a product of the time, that's undeniable (in fact, I always have to stress this point when speaking of its virtues). Perhaps being the first is why the thing as a whole just feels a lot more sincere, which is my primary hang-up with Lost. Then again, maybe I'm just old and know too much and maybe Twin Peaks in its prime brought together many boring white people to have viewing "parties" where everyone sat around trying to figure out what the hell is going on and actually believes that there's this overall plan (yeah, right).

Also, I was a David Lynch fan at the time, that also helped, and still am, but am not in love with all of his stuff. Everyone says that The Straight Story is excellent, but if it doesn't have dancing midgets in it, what's the fucking point? And everyone says Inland Empire is brilliant, but everything I've seen and heard about it sounds boring as hell.

BTW, On The Air, in case anyone was curious...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYef8OjlNBw


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on December 17, 2009, 02:07:20 AM
And Alive TV...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfqxRJNIRU4

... Last I checked, the Museum of Television And Radio had a bunch of episodes available for viewing, but that was like ten years ago. I should really spend a whole day there.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on December 17, 2009, 05:21:44 AM
Everyone says that The Straight Story is excellent, but if it doesn't have dancing midgets in it, what's the fucking point?

oh man. youre so wrong about the straight story. its not some abstract crap thing at all and it easily his best film. inland empire on the other hand, IS abstract crap and three hours long. i kind of enjoyed it a bit though.

as far as Lost is concerned, its more drama/soap opera-y than "lol weird" so it can be easier to digest which is why it probably ran for so long, and not burning itself out too soon. which business wise makes a lot of sense.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on December 17, 2009, 09:07:30 AM
the straight story is the only lynch movie/project i really liked.

blue velvet is mostly good, though.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on December 17, 2009, 09:37:14 AM
TDS, i think you misread Matt.  he's saying that since Straight Story isn't weird, what is the point of watching it?  like, if you want to watch a David Lynch film, you watch it because it's a David Lynch film.

anyway, like Fitz said, Lynch doesn't necessarily do "compelling," which i agree with.  but the thing is, when it's a 2-3 hour movie, it's over and done with.  when it's a 2-season long tv series that has all that 2-3 hour "Lynch-ness" spread out, it doesn't really hit me the same way.

i mean, i'm a pretty big fan of the guy.  i haven't seen everything he's done, but Eraserhead, Blue Velvet, Lost Highway and Mulholland Drive are all pretty fun times.  but he's also the type of director who i don't necessarily feel like i need to see everything he's done.  sometimes you see enough of an author to "get" what they're doing and then move on.

i think sometimes he suffers from a lack of depth, or rather, he creates the illusion of depth through vagueness, but i don't think this is always the case.  a movie like Mulholland Drive does make sense, but it sort of requires multiple viewings.  which, one could argue, is a failing of him as a director.  shouldn't people be able to see what you're doing the first time around?

Blue Velvet, though, is the one film of his that i can watch ad infinitum.  Dennis Hopper is just so fucking amazing.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on December 17, 2009, 09:48:40 AM
TDS, i think you misread Matt.  he's saying that since Straight Story isn't weird, what is the point of watching it?  like, if you want to watch a David Lynch film, you watch it because it's a David Lynch film.

ok i can get behind that, but yeah matt you should still see the straight story its wonderful.

also while we're on the subject of lynch this mashup thing is wonderful http://www.mashedinplastic.co.uk/


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on December 17, 2009, 11:01:34 AM
In terms of Twin Peaks specifically I think it suffers a bit from Catcher in the Rye syndrome. For a lot of people it was the first "weird" tv show they ever saw and so they fell in love.  And like most adolescent loves it was neither as good as remembered nor can you really explain it to someone who didn't get caught by it at that time.

This makes a lot of sense, but the weird thing is that I know some younger generation kids that are REALLY into it. Maybe it just made the rounds a few years ago when they were an impressionable age or something?


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on December 17, 2009, 08:07:01 PM
This makes a lot of sense, but the weird thing is that I know some younger generation kids that are REALLY into it. Maybe it just made the rounds a few years ago when they were an impressionable age or something?

Probably, or it may be another route.

I attribute my taste for what is by any objective taste awful musical acts like Throbbing Gristle, the middle career albums from Psychic TV, and a host of obscure Punk/Post-punk/Nowave stuff not to it actually being good but because they were artifacts from a past that it seemed no one else knew about or cared about during a time when that kind of self-obscurant sense of identity was needed for me. As an unintended side effect that was also a cultural signaling system for getting to know similarly self-obscured people, some of whom I ended up having a lot of other things in common with and some that made me rethink my tastes as a result of being around them for more than five minutes.



Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on December 17, 2009, 09:11:16 PM
somewhere in my head i have a 5 second looping .gif file of sinsect trying to jam that piece of bone in his ear.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on December 18, 2009, 12:07:18 AM
http://sinsect.com/

His cousin, who I'm not sure if you ever met, is still kicking around town

http://www.myspace.com/bobbiejeandaniel



Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on December 18, 2009, 09:46:27 AM
she came to some show or another if i remember correctly.

man, time flies...


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on December 18, 2009, 09:58:56 AM
She worked the basement at Mother a few times I was there.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on December 18, 2009, 05:00:58 PM
For those who haven't seen or heard about it yet, the New Kids In The Hall show...

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/c78840cb55/kids-in-the-hall-death-comes-to-town


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on December 27, 2009, 03:00:45 AM
I've always had a quiet disdain for medical shows, but gotta admit, this did make me laugh...

http://video.hollywoodreporter.com/services/player/bcpid6555681001?bctid=58089913001


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on December 27, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
I've always had a quiet disdain for medical shows, but gotta admit, this did make me laugh...

http://video.hollywoodreporter.com/services/player/bcpid6555681001?bctid=58089913001

am i the only one who noticed that was directed by crazy joe davola?


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 07, 2010, 05:16:54 PM
Hey, all of Lost, in less than ten minutes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIFL104E9Ts

... To be honest, not nearly as dreadful looking as I had guessed it to be. Though I'm sticking with my Twin Peaks, thank you very much!


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on January 07, 2010, 05:25:24 PM
You may be the only early-90s reactionary I know.

I kind of like that about you.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 07, 2010, 05:38:12 PM
If anything, I am consistent and stoic about my stances.

But seriously, early 90s television was awesome. Gonna go watch some Larry Sanders right now! And then, some Liquid Television that I downloaded a while back.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 07, 2010, 09:46:45 PM
stoic is just about the last word i'd use to describe you, bruh!

i know i saw a bunch of larry sanders back in college but all i really remember is rip torn (who was awesome) and thinking that if she was drunk enough, i could totally get garafalo. liquid television tingles some bells (i.e. i know i saw it at some point) but is largely a blur, beyond aeon flux, which was a blur on purpose.

speaking of tv, i'm almost loading up the nas with pertinent "the baby won't stop crying" dvd rips. i'm almost done re-watching drawn together and the venture bros seasons 1 - 3.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on January 07, 2010, 10:14:00 PM
into disc 2 of of season 2 of Twin Peaks.  thus far, it doesn't seem too bad, despite what i'd been warned. honestly, i think i'll just watch it all the way through, because...well, for consistency i suppose.

i can no longer tolerate Officer Brennan; he is such a terrible character.  i understand that the mildly-retarded deputy is supposed to provide some kind of inane comic relief, but all i can think of when i see him is how much i hope that in the final few episodes he is brutally sodomized and left to die.  it's the only retribution for a character that grating.

i'm simultaneously watching Paranoia Agent.  i can't help but draw comparisons and feel like the show is at least partially inspired by Twin Peaks.  it's really nothing more than a coincidence, though, that i decided to start renting these at the same time.

and, after a few recommendations, i've decided to give the show "Dexter" a shot.  hell, anything on Netflix instant play that seems remotely interesting to me deserves at least 20 minutes of a shot, i think.  i'm actually enjoying it a good deal; it's not the best thing ever or anything, but it's something of a cop drama with a bit more depth and personality to it.  to be honest, i was actually expecting Ichi: The Killer style violence in this (as someone had made a comparison between the two), so its tameness is a little blah.  still, though, the characters are all pretty fun to watch.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 07, 2010, 10:34:20 PM
Larry Sanders truly is an amazing show, provided you have a serious interest in the world of Hollywood backdoor nonsense and late night television, circa the early 90s. But Garry Shandling is just awesome, as is the rest of his cast. As for Garafalo, she was hardly the star or anything, but decent nonetheless, though her best work was easily the Ben Stiller show. Then I saw her shitty stand up and became like some weird talk radio personality after 9/11 and have not been able to stomach her ever since.

Hey Mike, speaking of Adult Swim, thoughts on Tim and Eric?


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on January 08, 2010, 12:53:11 AM
I made it through maybe four or five episodes of Dexter before I was just so fully bored that I gave up. It started out seeming like it could be good, but it's just not.

Right now I'm watching the first season of SVU. I was worried that I would have seen all these because I've watched plenty of this show on TV, but I guess I missed all the first season. It's awesome though. They do a tiny bit too much of the personal life of the two main officers, but you get plenty of Munch being awesome. The bad boyfriend from 30 rock is there instead of Ice T, and he doesn't fill those shoes, but I don't mind him.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2010, 03:52:19 AM
rip torn (who was awesome)

You mentioned him which means I'm compelled to post this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AzmhorISf4


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 08, 2010, 09:32:19 AM
i've heard that mailer was hard on nerves and all but a hammer strikes me - har har - as a bit much.

speaking of crime dramas and det. munch, homicide: life on the streets is pretty good. (i'm up a lot at 2 am these days so i catch weird reruns of stuff)

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Hey Mike, speaking of Adult Swim, thoughts on Tim and Eric?

i pretend they don't exist.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 08, 2010, 12:29:33 PM
Quote from: dhex
stoic is just about the last word i'd use to describe you, bruh!

Well, I'm stoic about certain things.

Quote from: isfet
]all i can think of when i see him is how much i hope that in the final few episodes he is brutally sodomized and left to die.  it's the only retribution for a character that grating.

I guess the only reason why I don't find him so offensive is because I have personally know officers of the law that are just like the guy. Why is a major reason why I like the show in the first place; Washington State itself is somewhat of a weird place. But I grew up near an insane asylum, so what do I know.

And Paranoia Agent is indeed awesome, but then again, I'll watch anything Satoshi Kon is involved in.

Quote from: dmauro
SVU

Infinitely watchable, but if no Ice T, no sale.

Quote from: Fitz

You mentioned him which means I'm compelled to post this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AzmhorISf4

That clip never fails to fascinate (I've never seen the full thing, so thanks).

And yeah, best camera person ever. He's one of the primary reasons why it feels fake, given his excellent framing afterward.

Quote from: dhex
i pretend they don't exist.

Guess I shouldn't be surprised!


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on January 08, 2010, 01:13:06 PM
Quote from: dmauro
SVU

Infinitely watchable, but if no Ice T, no sale.

The other guy actually fills a pretty awesome role. He's kind of the dumb newbie that has little flashes of brilliance. Ice T is nice, but I think I kind of like it better when, for instance, in one of these early episodes they needed a real badass tough guy to intimidate some perps so they got this Jesse Ventura looking narcotics officer involved and it was pretty awesome. And I mostly watch it for Munch (his exchanges with Warner are really great, it's like a modern take on Cary Grant/Catherine Hepburn), Benson and Stabler anyways.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 08, 2010, 01:20:54 PM
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Well, I'm stoic about certain things.

heh. as are we all. but stoic as a descriptor isn't generally an on/off switch type of deal.

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Guess I shouldn't be surprised!

well, there's funny and there's funny. the few seconds i've seen hit my die in a fire buttons pretty hard.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: loopback on January 08, 2010, 05:57:46 PM
When someone tells me they like Tim & Eric, and think the show is really funny, I worry. I have such a hard time imagining a world in which that show is funny, that I start looking for organic or psychological damage in someone to explain why they like it.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 08, 2010, 06:12:53 PM
lol

Whatever dude, whatever.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 08, 2010, 08:44:02 PM
i have loopback's problem, but about seinfeld. :)

i figure that, like seinfeld/curb your enthusiasm/the office/arrested development, tim & eric is part of the theatre of discomfort. there are moments of that particular school of comedy i like - mostly the horse apples episode from wondershowzen season 2 - but for the most part it is very much not my thing.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 08, 2010, 09:18:15 PM
speaking of tv, liz's newest thing is mad men. as in "we just bought the third season today via amazon on demand" newest thing. which, i'm sort of surprised, works fine across the wd media player we bought, as it can access amazon accounts to play video.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 08, 2010, 09:22:45 PM
I hope you're talking about the British Office, cuz that show is amazing, due primarily to it's level of uncomfortableness. Which I just don't find funny per say, as do most its fans I'd like to believe. Its just a gigantic trainwreck, that many of us cannot help by gawk at. Then again, we all find different things funny, even those of us with supposed major psychological damage.

The American Office on the other hand I just can't get into. At least it's not nearly as bad as Scubs when it comes to silly white people humor.

And I was just going to point out that Tim & Eric is not a whole lot different than Wondershowzen. The later is just a wacky send-up of kids the shows, the former of cable access and shit television as a whole.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 08, 2010, 09:55:51 PM
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Then again, we all find different things funny, even those of us with supposed major psychological damage.

see, this is why you and stoicism are not kissing in a tree.* :)

the british office was what i had in mind. i've seen about four episodes total. tuda made me watch some way back in the day. at the time, i was baffled that it'd be considered entertainment.** but overall i think it's cubicle rat humor that i simply do not understand, a hallmark of generation veal and its passive ressentiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment).

which may be putting too fine a point on it. or not, considering the stories i've heard.

request for clarification: what's silly white people humor? my first instinct would be to put almost anything discussed in this pages in that general category. (i.e. it's silly, the audience is largely white, and it's humorous in intent)

tim and eric may very well have a huge ethnic audience/urban market mindshare that adult swim is going to capitalize on at any moment, but i would bet against that being true.

actually, on that particular note, i think i can make a convincing case for metalocalypse as a honky revenge fantasy.

* kissing would likely be out of bounds (http://books.google.com/books?id=YgjhwFBGUQ0C&pg=PA19&lpg=PA19&dq=the+stoics+and+sex&source=bl&ots=48fRqP4tJr&sig=zs0iau5wNlZekYo-jnx3lHKWysI&hl=en&ei=eO1HS_GODcnSlAffifUP&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CA4Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=the%20stoics%20and%20sex&f=false) regardless.

** disclaimer - at this time i was most likely completely high out of my mind, and thus more susceptible to grand unifying cultural narratives as an explanation for something i found unpleasant. similarly, the great aching sorrow i felt after watching that cable access "best of" tape at your place that one evening; a little too boulevard of broken dreams-y for my tastes. i prefer to forget the lonely people.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on January 08, 2010, 11:24:24 PM
"Strident" perhaps works better than "Stoic" in this case.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 09, 2010, 01:28:56 AM
My definition of silly white people humor (cuz like you basically hit upon Mike, a vast majority of comedies, as well as television in general, are aimed at Caucasians), is stuff along the likes of office romances, faux-pas when it comes to emailing, dealing with too many remote controls, basically any banal subject matter that people at office kitchens spew in order to kill awkward silences while waiting for their Weight Watchers turkey meatloaf to finish microwaving. Stuff like that.

Another component, and this too is up for debate and scrutinizing, is how lots the fans of whatever perceive what they like to be cutting edge, even though it most certainly not, though the key here is how it genuinely excited it makes them feel as a result. But then you try introducing to them something that is actually interesting, but they can't handle it because "everyone talks too fast" or something similar.

Which is why I am actually jealous of some of the people I know who are diehard into Lost. It makes them so excited to such a degree that it's almost cute. But then you quickly figure out that they have very few other hobbies, and pieces start falling into place.

Though I mostly pick on Lost fans because its another one of those shows in which you nicely explain to them that its not your cup of tea, and they look at you like just told them to fuck off, simply because that's how its perceived, like your better than them. Though to be honest, after enough of that attitude, I can't help buy oblige. Better is how absolutely mortified in which you point out that, hey, maybe there isn't some grand master plan and that they're making shit up as they go along. Note: these are the same people who like to believe The Matrix and Star Wars was also laid out well in advance. And yes Mike, I know some strange people, though in this instance, worked with them.

Granted, most of what I just described is true for everything, but yes, some people out there (not everyone) genuinely believes Scrubs is edgy. Which is mind-blowing on several levels.

Same with Family Guy I hear....


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 09, 2010, 09:25:23 AM
oh, no one believes scrubs is edgy. that's just silly talk.

then again, what constitutes edgy these days? the guy with the "it's raining men" wtc tattoo?

anyway, i think you underestimate the number of non-white people who enjoy middle-of-the-road comedy. it's not all fatsuits, indie rap comedy/gansta films and the tyler perry megafranchise, after all.

as far as i know, i don't know any lost fans. nor do i know if star wars or the matrix was laid out ahead of time. but serial television is serial television; is lost as a phenomenon really much different than twin peaks?

as a side note apparently the show had a bit regarding the third policeman, a novel by flann o'brien. that's cool. more people should read that. most television will never do anything that neat in the real world, so i salute lost for making something good and real happen.

but to double back a moment, "the key here is how it genuinely excited it makes them feel" should really be the stop/start point of any serious engagement regarding entertainment. people enjoy things. fin. having a good back and forth about hawt n' nought or which action best fit what doo-dad is perfectly fine and enjoyable, so long as that original understanding is kept to.

but you know a tremendous amount of people who are twisted evangelicals for things you don't like. and you continually engage with them on these subjects. why? if it wasn't lost, it was firefly or serenity or another one of those space soap operas all my libertizzles like. perhaps when you talk to people about things you don't like, your barely hidden contempt and their desire for connection form a synergistic combination?


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 09, 2010, 10:21:27 AM
I'm certain that Twin Peaks as a phenom would have mirrored Lost's if it had stuck around as long perhaps. Stuff like blogs, Twitter, and YouTube certainly has helped spread the gospel quite a bit, considerably (though I'm certain that it's not greatly responsible for its success; the web is not there yet). I'm too young to remember if there were Twin Peaks viewing parties or not, probably were.

Being a fan of some popular show has always meant being part of this big cultural thing, as silly as it sounds. Knowing where you were when you saw the last Cosby Show, saw Tiny Tim get married on the Tonight Show, that kind of stuff, its been around for decades. But web 2.0 has added an even stronger narcissistic element, in which everyone's an armchair evangelism and wanna be television executive. The same sorta holds true with Hollywood movies, and once again, while behind the scenes has always been fascinating (movies about movies go way the hell back), something basically changed over the past ten years or so, in which too much information began to flow freely and everyone had to add their own spin to the analysis. With the key differentiation being that now its possible to give one's opinions to the rest of the world without anyone else asking for it in the first place.

I guess it first hit me when I was working at Ubi Soft and the art guy overheard how I hadn't seen the season finale of Survivor, which was in its first season and I got chewed out for not being part of this cornerstone of the American consciousness. I actually understand what I meant, but he was just such a fucking asshole about it.

As for the people I know, and my attitude towards what they like, well, it purely depends on the person. The other day I hung out with someone that I had never socialized in person, and when he asked if I liked Lost, of course I didn't browbeat him. I'm not a fucking asshole. And if he had mentioned Family Guy, would have been the same thing. But with you Mike, I feel comfortable bitching the hell out of it for obvious reasons. The fact that I know you won't take it that seriously for one.

But re: those who are fanatical about stuff and whom I've known for a very long time... trust me when I say this that 99.9% of my "fucking whatever" simply goes over their heads and makes them even more determined to spew the gospel. So what else can I say? I know passionate people, and I can respect that to a certain extent. Though the exact reasons why they get so into and worked up about such I could go on and on about. Many feel that, as creative professionals, it's their job to analyze the shit out of everything. Though I still recall my first brush with his, when I asked friend A why friend B had such an intense interest in... I guess it was the Backstreet Boys at the time, something as silly as that... and friend A shot back with an annoyed "he's just trying to figure out why the public reacts so strongly to them, dumbass, it's part of his job." And it most certainly was not.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: loopback on January 11, 2010, 10:52:23 PM
i have loopback's problem, but about seinfeld. :)

Man the next time i am in New York, we are going to have to have drinks and rage about how much we hate Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Those shows hit some weird primal spot and make me really angry. I don't have the same reaction to people who like those shows as I do with T&E, but ... good gravy, I hate those shows.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on January 12, 2010, 07:10:53 AM
people who hate Seinfeld and Curb Your Enthusiasm just need to come clean about their anti semitism


i kid

but yea, for reals, i can't stand Woody Allen.  which apparently doesn't make sense, considering i enjoy the aforementioned TV shows.  but yea, the characters in his movies come off as people in NYC that i typically can't stand on any level.  it's kind of why i don't like Lady Gaga.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on January 12, 2010, 09:26:45 AM
"Take the Money and Run" is the real test.

If you don't like that movie don't bother with anything Woody Allen ever did afterwards.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 12, 2010, 09:57:25 AM
what's up, tiger lily is good times.

but that's actually why i could never deal with seinfeld. if friends were jerkoffs on the upper east side, seinfeld was their rent-controlled neighbor to the west.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: isfet on January 12, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
part of me wants to say i'll give those films a shot, but i really kind of can't be bothered.

but yea, sometimes a dislike of a celebrity etc. can be tied into something that's either rational or irrational (depending on who you talk to).

another example, off the top of my head, is my intense dislike for Lady Gaga.  i don't really care about her music, one way or the other, but she herself reminds me of a very specific type of NYC girl that i absolutely cannot stand so it's pretty impossible for me to get past that.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on January 12, 2010, 11:53:45 AM
I don't know...Italian girl from a near-suburb of NYC with a screwy fashion sense and a desperate need for attention...and she's an Illuminati Shill...

Sounds vaguely like college to me...



Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 12, 2010, 11:54:26 AM
hot trashy girls? fit students?

i prefer to call her peaches 3.0 and leave it at that.

but very little entertainment is particularly levelheaded. it wouldn't be entertainment if it was, really. consider the fun of drinking brain poisons and yelling at each other in a ritual we call "good times". it's awesome. but silly.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 15, 2010, 12:29:28 PM
I have no idea if anyone else around here gives a shit, but the latest light night war has been a great source of entertainment (I used to be a hardcore follower of the late night shows, but haven't really given a shit since the last big war)...

http://tv.gawker.com/5448615/late-night-wars-jay-leno-turns-the-tables-and-bashes-conan-obrien-is-then-bashed-harder-by-jimmy-kimmel


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on January 15, 2010, 01:34:54 PM
Yeah I was reading that earlier. Funny stuff.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 19, 2010, 04:23:27 PM
BTW, for anyone who hasn't been following along, here comes the Chinese to help clarify the situation....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9m1an-pQ8


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on January 19, 2010, 04:34:12 PM
the continuing popularity of leno or letterman is really baffling.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 25, 2010, 08:52:41 AM
The Times has a decent summation of the entire situation, which just wrapped up (and thank God, as much as I genuinely cared, it was also starting to get boring)...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/25/business/media/25conan.html

It's been tough trying to explain to folks who don't give a shit about such matters why I'm interested, since as Katie put it best as dumb rich white guys arguing over bullshit. And legacies as they related to television are indeed bullshit, but I'm tried of repeating my specific reason, so for anyone that's interested, they go head on over to the usual place.

Though there's also the issue of a nice guy getting fucked over by his job, and watching another person who also got screwed finally opening his mouth after many years of silence. Then you have what's been described in the article above; people passionately and all of a sudden caring about stupid shit when they never really did in the first place.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on January 28, 2010, 01:53:07 PM
I was up till 5:30 this morning watching a pretty fascinating documentary on the Crips and the Bloods in South Central, LA. It doesn't tell you anything new if you're familiar with the situation (well, I grew up many miles north, in Washington State, but we did have a large contingency of Crips to deal with in my neck of the woods, plus I was totally into the world of west coast gangster rap, and things like the LA riots are still quite fresh in my mind), and to be honest, I don't even know the name (I tuned in as it was starting), but it was extremely well made and I'm fairly certain that they'll show it again soon. Seemed like a fairly big production.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on February 02, 2010, 05:26:45 PM
I'm onto SVU season 2 now. I just watched an episode that starred ~10 year old Hayden Panettiere (the Cheerleader from Heroes).


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on February 02, 2010, 07:58:57 PM
I'm onto SVU season 2 now. I just watched an episode that starred ~10 year old Hayden Panettiere (the Cheerleader from Heroes).

i remember that one, i also remember the one shes in a few years later where she was an underage porn star that got paid in clothes then got aids and killed her producer or something


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on February 02, 2010, 08:04:34 PM
Nice, looking forward to it.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on March 01, 2010, 10:17:46 AM
the pee episode of south park is one of the funniest they've ever done.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on March 17, 2010, 01:14:22 AM
The Simpsons has been really good lately. I hadn't really watched it in a while, but I've watched the last few episodes on hulu and really enjoyed them.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on March 25, 2010, 01:44:32 AM
God bless David Mamet...

http://www.movieline.com/2010/03/david-mamets-memo-to-the-writers-of-the-unit.php

... I had NO idea he was behind that show. Huh.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on April 06, 2010, 04:39:35 PM
Everyone knows my intense love for NYC cable access, but sometimes, nothing beats the stuff from home...

http://spudgoodman.com/index.php

... As silly as it sounds, this was like my favorite thing ever growing up.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on April 19, 2010, 04:28:46 PM
X-Files episodes you should watch:

Season 3, Episode 12: War of the Coprophages
Season 4, Episode 11: El Mundo Gira

X-Files is at its best when it's funny. The coprophage episode is the best from the show (maybe my favorite episode of anything ever on TV?) and El Mundo Gira is a nice Spanish soap opera spoof without hitting you over the head with the joke.

All of the X-Files is now on Netflix streaming so go for it.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on April 19, 2010, 05:21:24 PM
Dude, you mention must watch X-Files episodes from season 3 and you fail to list Jose Chung's From Outer Space? Dude...

Also, the last episode of that same season, Talitha Cumi, is simply one of the best cliffhangers for any show, ever.

Back to Jose Chung, not sure if it's available for instant streaming, but his appearance in Millennium is also worth catching; was the first to goof on Scientologists many years before everyone else jumped on the bandwagon, and I dare say that no one has done it better.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on April 20, 2010, 01:15:13 PM
Back to Jose Chung, not sure if it's available for instant streaming, but his appearance in Millennium is also worth catching; was the first to goof on Scientologists many years before everyone else jumped on the bandwagon, and I dare say that no one has done it better.

It wasn't the first but it was one of the better ones.  The character that Charles Nelson Reilly played in both appearances was based largely upon Forrest J. Ackerman, former literary agent to Ron Hubbard and just about every other major SciFi writer and publisher of "Famous Monsters of Filmland."



Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on April 21, 2010, 01:46:08 AM
oh shit we're talking x-files now? cause LEONARD BETTSMOTHER FUCKER

also:

musing of a cigarette smoking man
bad blood
post modern prometheus
fire
gender bender
clyde bruckman's final response
triangle
the unnatural
dreamland part 1 and 2

those are the ones i can name off the top of my head also the one with the carnival of circus freaks but i dont remember that episode's name.


dmauro, after you get to the end of season 7(well even at that season the quality is iffy) skip straight to the 2 part series finale. seriously 8 and 9 are just full of john dogget overstaying his welcome and monica reyes just sucking so fucking much in every scene she's in. also there is one episode where lucy lawless is a half alien human hybrid soldier who karate chops a guy's head off and you begin to wonder "god am i even watching the same show anymore?"


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on April 21, 2010, 10:35:34 AM
Leonard Betts wasn't that good. It was a decent episode, but it didn't really stand out in any way except that it was funny that they used Paul McCrane possibly as an homage to that unforgettable scene in Robocop when his face melts.

Musing of a Cigarette Smoking Man was just a lore episode that didn't really give all that much, and Gender Bender was almost funny, but didn't quite get good enough.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on April 21, 2010, 10:55:16 AM
are you serious? leonard betts grew back his severed head and blew up a car. that guy was the most badass x-files monster of the week


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on April 21, 2010, 02:35:41 PM
For me, the X-Files pretty much ended after the 5th season/the movie. The show kinda lost its way after blowing such a big wad.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on April 21, 2010, 04:41:18 PM
Just watched another good Season 4 episode: Small Potatoes. Worth it alone for the large chunk of the episode in which David Duchovny plays some chump who is pretending to be Agent Mulder. They have a "practicing in front of the mirror" scene that is pretty great.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on April 23, 2010, 12:18:46 PM
Detective Munch makes an appearance in the Lone Gunman beginnings episode "Unusual Suspects." Odd since this was a Fox show and Homicide is an NBC show. I looked it up on Wikipedia, and he actually made quite a few crossover appearances:

    * Law & Order - four episodes: "Charm City", "Baby, It's You", "Sideshow (Part 1)", and "Entitled (Part 2)"
    * The X-Files - one episode: "Unusual Suspects"
    * The Beat - one episode: "They Say It's Your Birthday"
    * Law & Order: Trial by Jury - one episode: "Skeleton (Part 2)"
    * Arrested Development - one episode: "Exit Strategy"
    * The Wire - one episode: "Took"


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on April 23, 2010, 01:42:30 PM
dmauro have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Westphall


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on April 23, 2010, 02:55:27 PM
That's awesome.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on April 23, 2010, 09:48:52 PM
Season 5, Episode 5: A Post-Modern Prometheus. Excellent episode.

Season 5, Episode 12: Bad Blood. Awesome Rashomon style story. Very funny.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on May 11, 2010, 05:26:41 PM
I love it when folks like David Lynch direct stuff like television commercials, cuz it really shows if the person knows what the hell they're doing in (in this instance, he most certainly does)...

http://io9.com/5534679/david-lynchs-twin-peaks-georgia-coffee-ads


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on May 23, 2010, 11:39:36 PM
Hey, Lost is finally over with! Thank fucking God.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on May 23, 2010, 11:58:41 PM
L O S T SPOILERS

for those not following my twitter (https://twitter.com/TEEDEEESE), ill just cut and paste the ending here

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OK SO HERES HOW LOST ENDS

JACK BEN DESMOND AND HURLEY STAY ON THE ISLAND. JACK MAKES HURLEY THE NEW JACOB.

BEN IS SECOND IN COMMAND. THERE IS A POOP JOKE.

LAPIDUS AND THE REST GET ON THE PLANE AND FLY AWAY

JACK, SUCCUMBING TO HIS KNIFE WOUND BY FLOCKE,DIES IN THE BAMBOO FIELD HE WOKE UP IN IN THE PILOT.

BUT SEE, NONE OF THAT SHIT EVEN MATTERS

BECAUSE

THE ALTVERSE IS A HEAVEN CREATED BY THEM. THEIR ISLAND CONSCIOUSNESSES ARE TRANSPORTED TO THEIR ALT SELVES. OR SOMETHING.

NO WALT. NO TAWERET STATUE. NO ANSWERS TO ANY OF THAT OTHER DUMB SHIT.

L O S T


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on May 24, 2010, 08:34:12 AM
Hey, Lost is finally over with! Thank fucking God.

Yeah.  Now I can finally get around to watching it.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on May 24, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
Hey, Lost is finally over with! Thank fucking God.

Yeah.  Now I can finally get around to watching it.

having your own little marathon of the show is probably the best way to watch it. i went through seasons 1-5 during the holiday season and i dont think i would have had the patience for it otherwise.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on May 24, 2010, 03:00:45 PM
having your own little marathon of the show is probably the best way to watch it. i went through seasons 1-5 during the holiday season and i dont think i would have had the patience for it otherwise.

I tend to prefer shows in big chunks rather than having the narrative broken up over long gaps of time.

It's the same reason I tend to buy Trade Paperbacks over issues of comics or only read discontinued titles/author runs that I can get in bulk.



Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on May 24, 2010, 04:06:53 PM
I heard Jack has to fuck the island to save the show or something. Kind of wish I had watched this because it sounds like it was a laugh-a-minute.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: The Drunken Samurai on May 25, 2010, 06:55:10 AM
I heard Jack has to fuck the island to save the show or something. Kind of wish I had watched this because it sounds like it was a laugh-a-minute.

nah the funniest moment was the JACKFIST http://i47.tinypic.com/24mc6k8.jpg


seriously, when he threw that running punch they cut to commercial. this is all you really need to see.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dmauro on May 25, 2010, 10:23:33 AM
Hahaha, that's pretty good too. Maybe I should watch it on hulu or something.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on May 25, 2010, 12:48:51 PM
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1936291

... Haven't watched the whole thing. Not sure if there's some big joke at the end, or if its just a legit list of unanswered questions. Though it does articulate what drives me nuts about the show and its fans. So if I made a television program that had all this random shit that doesn't even have to be answered in the end, will I get tons of viewers/be considered a genius as well?

I realize that I'm over simplifying the situation, and perhaps Lost had some other amazing aspects that I'm totally ignoring. Then again, I can't recall the last time anyone ever mentioned the superb acting or whatnot.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on May 26, 2010, 09:01:48 AM
people like twisty plots. twin peaks, soap operas, etc.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on May 26, 2010, 01:25:53 PM
As so I, but isn't there a point in which it becomes so obvious that they're just making shit up as they go along that one can't help but roll their eyes?

Then again, I was one of the few people that rolled their eyes when I heard that statement "but they've been planting seeds for an entire Matrix Trilogy all along".

I guess what drives me nuts the most are all my creative, writer friends who sorta fell for the Lost bullshit. It's SO OBVIOUS that they're just using such lazy tricks.

Anyhow, in other news, they just added Beavis & Butthead to Netflix Instant, so all is right in the world again. God I had forgotten how fucking brilliant that show was.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on May 26, 2010, 01:32:22 PM
people like what they like and all that. one man's disjointed plot is another man's lynchian excursion into the darkest regions of the soul.

the only thing i know about lost is that it's making flann o'brien's estate happier, apparently. more people need to read the third policeman, so kudos to lost for that.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on May 27, 2010, 01:47:23 PM
http://nymag.com/arts/tv/reviews/66182/

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In its early seasons, Law & Order could feel as brisk as a sonnet: setup, Briscoe wisecrack, two plot detours, an ideological debate, then a juicy cross-examination and a wry punch line from the D.A. If you watched it enough, you could build a taxonomy of Manhattan evil. There were your Upper East Side aristocrats with dirty family secrets; your sociopathic prep-schoolers with their plaid skirts and smirky cover stories; the genuinely chilling episodes about the Russian mob; the jaunty roman-à-clef celebrity plots; assorted intra-ethnic feuds; a sparkling universe of skeezeball husbands; those scaremongering the-Internet-will-kill-you plots; the tragic, hard-to-watch tales of child abuse (eventually relegated to SVU); and the rare yet satisfyingly gonzo episodes where the show became nothing but a series of red herrings, or seemed to be about one thing (sex trafficking!) but were actually about another thing entirely (identity theft).

i like the early and mid-90s myself, as it mirrors the nyc i remember as a teenage tourist. well, not mirrors, as i wasn't around any homicides - but it reminds me of the flavor of that time period. and jerry orbach was such a dick.


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on May 27, 2010, 01:58:29 PM
continuing the nymag theme, joan rivers is apparently the most awesome,  most cuntiest friend you could ever have:

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Rivers will take the piss out of anything. Shortly after I had lost a big job, she called, and when I answered the phone a bit too quickly she said, “Really? The first ring? So desperate.” And then she hung up on me.
Quote

http://nymag.com/movies/features/66181/index1.html


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on June 05, 2010, 12:38:29 AM
I remember noticing the same thing as a kid watching tons of sitcoms, but with a prop pizza box...

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/06/04/lol-the-reoccurring-prop-newspaper/


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on June 09, 2010, 03:23:20 AM
If this doesn't convince you of the splendor of Korean melodramas, nothing will...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md5-LbEnntc


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: FortNinety on July 08, 2010, 10:50:14 AM
YES! I just hope they get to make fun of Lady Gaga vids...

http://www.enewsi.com/television/191-17975.html


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: dhex on November 22, 2010, 08:34:42 PM
season finale of venture bros: "FIX IT!"


Title: Re: Anything Good On TV?
Post by: Fitz on November 25, 2010, 01:35:22 PM
Best use of a Pulp song in cartoons.